Desk 2 · two destinations · US passport · verified 2026-08

Indonesia vs Thailand

4 lenses differ (2 land · 2 overlay). Highlighted rows disagree.

Verified 2026-08Method SourcesNationality is fixed. Cells are filed on each dest tax hub. Overlays stay separate pair URLs.

Passport hub: From United States · home × land: US × Indonesia · US × Thailand · Two passports on Indonesia.

Side by side

Tax, stay and earn lenses from dest hubs — not invented fees. Purpose framing:

Work · remote · retire — which rows matter

Work — earn gate + tax days. Overlay for treaty short-stay.
Remote — stay instrument + foreign-income rule. Overlay for home traps.
Retire — stay instrument + pension articles on the overlay. Spend-down compare lives on ThonRetire.

Lens	Indonesia	Thailand
Tax-residence day test	183 days Source DJP Peraturan Direktur Jenderal Pajak Nomor PER-23/PJ/2025 — Penentuan Subjek Pajak Dalam Negeri dan Subjek Pajak Luar Negeri (full text on pajak.go.id, 9 Dec 2025) — Pasal 3: SPDN includes individuals present in Indonesia more than 183 days in any 12-month period Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	180 days Source Thailand Revenue Code §41 para 3 (rd.go.th/english/37749.html) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Foreign / worldwide income	yes Source DJP Peraturan Direktur Jenderal Pajak Nomor PER-23/PJ/2025 — Penentuan Subjek Pajak Dalam Negeri dan Subjek Pajak Luar Negeri (full text on pajak.go.id, 9 Dec 2025) — stacked with UU PPh: an SPDN individual is taxed on income wherever earned; PER-23 decides who is SPDN Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	yes Source Thailand Revenue Code §41 para 2 (bringing foreign assessable income into Thailand) Checked Aug 2026 · Band med · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Top personal rate	35% Source UU 7/2021 (HPP) amending UU PPh Pasal 17 ayat (1) huruf a — progressive rates for domestic individual taxpayers; DJP / Kemenkeu republished Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	35% Source RD Guide to PIT Return 2024 (ภ.ง.ด.91) — official PDF rate table; matches thailand.go.th RD briefing (Revenue Code Amendment Act No. 44 B.E. 2560 schedule from tax year 2017). Note: rd.go.th/english/6045 still shows the pre-amendment 4m/35% top band and is not used for these cells. Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Long-stay instrument (filed)	5 years Source Kemlu/Imigrasi Golden Visa booklet — Second home E33 · 5 years Checked Aug 2026 · Band med · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	180 days Source Royal Thai Embassy Budapest DTV page — stay up to 180 days per entry Checked Aug 2026 · Band high · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Local earn gate (filed)	yes Source PP 34/2021 on Utilization of Foreign Workers — employer must obtain RPTKA approval before employing a foreign national; processed via Kemnaker TKA Online Checked Aug 2026 · Band med · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	yes Source Royal Thai Embassy Budapest DTV page — tourist-class DTV; no Thai work permit; no work for Thai entities/clients Checked Aug 2026 · Band med · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Treaty (US)	yes Source US–Indonesia Income Tax Convention signed Jakarta 11 July 1988; general effective date under Art 30: 1 January 1990 (irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/indo.pdf) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	yes Source US–Thailand Income Tax Convention, signed Bangkok 26 Nov 1996; Art 30 general effective date 1 Jan 1998 (irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/thailand.pdf) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Employment short-stay	120 days Source US–Indonesia DTA Art 16(2)(a) — present less than 120 days in any consecutive 12-month period Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	183 days Source US–TH DTA Art 16 Dependent Personal Services (IRS thailand.pdf); relief already flagged in us_th_ftc_relief_art25 — short-stay day ceiling Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Relief (double tax)	ordinary tax credit Source US–Indonesia DTA Art 23 — foreign tax credit method (cell us_id_ftc_relief_art23 already filed) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	ordinary tax credit Source US–TH DTA Art 16 Dependent Personal Services (IRS thailand.pdf); relief already flagged in us_th_ftc_relief_art25 — Article 25 ordinary credit Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Art 4	Cascade permanent home → centre of vital interests → habitual abode → citizenship Source US–Indonesia Convention Art 4(2) dual-residence tie-breaker cascade Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	Cascade permanent home → centre of vital interests → habitual abode → nationality Source US–Thailand Convention Art 4(2) — dual-residence tie-breaker cascade Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
SSA / totalization	no Source SSA — U.S. International Social Security (Totalization) Agreements list does not include Indonesia Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	no Source SSA — U.S. International Social Security (Totalization) Agreements list does not include Thailand Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Treaty pensions	yes Source US–Indonesia Convention Art 21(1) — private pensions may be taxed by both States; source-state tax capped at 15% of gross if beneficial owner is resident of the other State Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	yes Source US–Thailand Convention Art 20(2) — social security/public pensions taxable only in the paying State; exception to the saving clause Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Foreign-income hinge	yes Source DJP Peraturan Direktur Jenderal Pajak Nomor PER-23/PJ/2025 — Penentuan Subjek Pajak Dalam Negeri dan Subjek Pajak Luar Negeri (full text on pajak.go.id, 9 Dec 2025) — stacked with UU PPh: an SPDN individual is taxed on income wherever earned; PER-23 decides who is SPDN Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	yes Source Thailand Revenue Code §41 para 2 (bringing foreign assessable income into Thailand) Checked Aug 2026 · Band med · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Home-side traps	yes Source nguon/US_SIDE_TRAPS.md — FBAR / Form 8938 / FEIE gates; PFIC & expatriation dollars not modelled Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	yes Source nguon/US_SIDE_TRAPS.md — FBAR / Form 8938 / FEIE gates; PFIC & expatriation dollars not modelled Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.

Indonesia

Through a US lens

US → Indonesia tax Stay Earn Tax hub Home × land desk

Earn doors: Teaching · Hospitality · Tech · Diving · Own a business · Legal

Thailand

Through a US lens

US → Thailand tax Stay Earn Tax hub Home × land desk

Earn doors: Teaching · Hospitality · Tech · Diving · Own a business · Legal · Massage · Tour guide · Regulated work

Other pairs

Vietnam vs ThailandUS Thailand vs MalaysiaUS Vietnam vs PortugalUS Philippines vs IndonesiaUS Malaysia vs PortugalUS Thailand vs PortugalUS

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Cross-check US × Indonesia

Home × land · US × Indonesia Two dests · US From United States Indonesia hub US → Indonesia tax

US across six lands

Land	Treaty	Relief	SSA	Open
Vietnam	No treaty in force	domestic foreign tax credit only (Form 1116) — no in-force treaty Source IRS A–Z treaty list — US–Vietnam signed not in force; nguon/US_VN_DTA_STATUS.md Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	no Source SSA International Programs — Status of Totalization Agreements / POMS GN 01701.005 country table — Vietnam absent from agreements in force Checked Aug 2026 · Band med · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	US → Vietnam
Thailand	yes Source US–Thailand Income Tax Convention, signed Bangkok 26 Nov 1996; Art 30 general effective date 1 Jan 1998 (irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/thailand.pdf) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	ordinary tax credit Source US–TH DTA Art 16 Dependent Personal Services (IRS thailand.pdf); relief already flagged in us_th_ftc_relief_art25 — Article 25 ordinary credit Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	no Source SSA — U.S. International Social Security (Totalization) Agreements list does not include Thailand Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	US → Thailand
IndonesiaHere	yes Source US–Indonesia Income Tax Convention signed Jakarta 11 July 1988; general effective date under Art 30: 1 January 1990 (irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/indo.pdf) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	ordinary tax credit Source US–Indonesia DTA Art 23 — foreign tax credit method (cell us_id_ftc_relief_art23 already filed) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	no Source SSA — U.S. International Social Security (Totalization) Agreements list does not include Indonesia Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	US → Indonesia
Philippines	yes Source US–Philippines Income Tax Convention, signed Manila 1 Oct 1976; entered into force 16 Oct 1982 (irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/philip.pdf) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	ordinary foreign tax credit Source US–Philippines Convention Art 23 — Relief from Double Taxation (US credits PH tax; PH credits US tax); saving-clause exception under Art 6(4) — IRS philip.pdf Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	no Source SSA — U.S. International Social Security (Totalization) Agreements list does not include the Philippines Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	US → Philippines
Malaysia	No treaty in force	domestic foreign tax credit only (Form 1116) — no treaty Source IRS Pub 901 / A–Z treaty list — no US–Malaysia income tax treaty; nguon/MY_SOURCES.md Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	no Source SSA — U.S. International Social Security (Totalization) Agreements list does not include Malaysia Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	US → Malaysia
Portugal	yes Source US Treasury Convention text (signed Washington 6 September 1994) + Portugal OECD MLI consolidated list — US–Portugal income tax convention, entry into force 18 December 1995, generally effective from 1 January 1996 Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	ordinary foreign tax credit Source US–Portugal 1994 Convention Art 25 — Relief from Double Taxation (US credit), behind the Art 1(4) saving clause Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	yes Source SSA — the U.S.–Portugal Agreement on Social Security (signed Lisbon 30 March 1988, TIAS 12121) entered into force 1 August 1989; it eliminates dual social-security coverage and can total periods for benefits. Unlike US–Malaysia, this coordination exists Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	US → Portugal

Eight passports on Indonesia 8 overlays

Passport	Treaty	Relief	SSA	Open
AU	yes Source DJP (pajak.go.id) tax treaty register — Australia P3B in force (effective 1993-07-01) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	ordinary tax credit Source AU–ID Art 15(2) — 120-day short-stay (not 183); four limbs including taxability in residence State — Article 24 ordinary credit method Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	no Source DSS — Australia international social security agreements list does not include Indonesia Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	AU → Indonesia
SG	yes Source DJP (pajak.go.id) tax treaty register — Singapore P3B in force (effective 2022-01-01) (revised treaty replacing the 1990 agreement; confirm exact effective date on the DJP entry) Checked Aug 2026 · Band med · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	ordinary tax credit Source SG–ID Art 15 — 183 days in any 12-month period — Article 23 ordinary credit method Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	no Source CPF Board / Singapore domestic CPF regime — no Singapore–Indonesia social security / CPF totalisation agreement published; same gate as sg_vn_social_security_agreement_in_force (nguon/SG_SIDE_TRAPS.md pattern) Checked Aug 2026 · Band med · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	SG → Indonesia
KR	yes Source DJP (pajak.go.id) tax treaty register — South Korea P3B in force (effective 1990-01-01) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	ordinary tax credit Source KR–ID Art 15 — 183 days in the fiscal year concerned — Article 23 ordinary credit method Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	no Source NPS social security agreements overview — Indonesia is not among Korea’s published SSA partners (MOU lump-sum paths elsewhere do not equal an SSA) Checked Aug 2026 · Band med · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	KR → Indonesia
CN	yes Source DJP (pajak.go.id) tax treaty register — China P3B in force (effective 2004-01-01) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	ordinary tax credit Source CN–ID Art 15 — 183 days within any twelve-month period — Article 23 ordinary credit method Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	no Source MOHRSS / published China bilateral social security partner list (13 countries) does not include Indonesia — same gate as cn_vn_social_security_agreement_in_force Checked Aug 2026 · Band med · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	CN → Indonesia
JP	yes Source DJP (pajak.go.id) tax treaty register — Japan P3B in force (effective 1983-01-01) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	ordinary tax credit Source JP–ID Art 15 — 183 days in the calendar year concerned — Article 23 ordinary credit method Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	no Source Japan Pension Service — Status of Agreements in Force (24 partners) does not include Indonesia Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	JP → Indonesia
UK	yes Source DJP (pajak.go.id) tax treaty register — United Kingdom P3B in force (effective 1995-01-01) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	ordinary tax credit Source UK–ID Art 15 — 183 days within any continuous twelve-month period; relief is Art 21 — Article 21 ordinary credit method Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	no Source GOV.UK Reciprocal agreements + NI38 country lists do not include Indonesia as a UK social security agreement partner Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	UK → Indonesia
CA	yes Source DJP (pajak.go.id) tax treaty register — Canada P3B in force (effective 1999-01-01) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	ordinary tax credit Source CA–ID Art 15(2) — 120 days within any twelve-month period; short-stay also needs either CAD 5,000 ceiling or employer/PE limbs — Article 22 ordinary credit method Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	no Source CRA countries-with-agreement table (Open Government CSV July 2024) does not list Indonesia Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	CA → Indonesia
USHere	yes Source US–Indonesia Income Tax Convention signed Jakarta 11 July 1988; general effective date under Art 30: 1 January 1990 (irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/indo.pdf) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	ordinary tax credit Source US–Indonesia DTA Art 23 — foreign tax credit method (cell us_id_ftc_relief_art23 already filed) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	no Source SSA — U.S. International Social Security (Totalization) Agreements list does not include Indonesia Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	US → Indonesia