Desk 2 · two destinations

Indonesia vs Vietnam on a American passport

Verified 2026-08How facts work SourcesNationality is fixed. Cells are filed on each dest tax hub. Overlays are separate pair URLs.

Passport hub: From United States · home × land: US × Indonesia · US × Vietnam.

Filed cells

Tax, stay and earn lenses from dest hubs — not invented fees. Purpose framing:

Work · remote · retire — which rows matter

Work — earn gate + tax days. Overlay for treaty short-stay.
Remote — stay instrument + foreign-income rule. Overlay for home traps.
Retire — stay instrument + pension articles on the overlay. Spend-down compare lives on ThonRetire.

Lens	Indonesia	Vietnam
Tax-residence day test	183 days Source DJP Peraturan Direktur Jenderal Pajak Nomor PER-23/PJ/2025 — Penentuan Subjek Pajak Dalam Negeri dan Subjek Pajak Luar Negeri (full text on pajak.go.id, 9 Dec 2025) — Pasal 3: SPDN includes individuals present in Indonesia more than 183 days in any 12-month period Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	183 days Source Luật Thuế TNCN 109/2025/QH15 Điều 2 khoản 2 điểm a; NĐ 253/2026/NĐ-CP Điều 4 khoản 1 Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Foreign / worldwide income	yes Source DJP Peraturan Direktur Jenderal Pajak Nomor PER-23/PJ/2025 — Penentuan Subjek Pajak Dalam Negeri dan Subjek Pajak Luar Negeri (full text on pajak.go.id, 9 Dec 2025) — stacked with UU PPh: an SPDN individual is taxed on income wherever earned; PER-23 decides who is SPDN Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	yes Source Luật 109/2025/QH15 Điều 2 khoản 1; NĐ 253/2026/NĐ-CP Điều 6 khoản 2 điểm a Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Top personal rate	35% Source UU 7/2021 (HPP) amending UU PPh Pasal 17 ayat (1) huruf a — progressive rates for domestic individual taxpayers; DJP / Kemenkeu republished Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	35% Source Luật 109/2025/QH15 Điều 9 — bậc 5 Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Long-stay instrument (filed)	5 years Source Kemlu/Imigrasi Golden Visa booklet — Second home E33 · 5 years Checked Aug 2026 · Band med · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	yes Source Product map — purpose → entry symbol → TRC (if eligible) → work permit/exemption as four separate decisions Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Local earn gate (filed)	yes Source PP 34/2021 on Utilization of Foreign Workers — employer must obtain RPTKA approval before employing a foreign national; processed via Kemnaker TKA Online Checked Aug 2026 · Band med · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	yes Source Bộ luật Lao động 45/2019/QH14 Điều 153 khoản 2 Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Treaty (US)	yes Source US–Indonesia Income Tax Convention signed Jakarta 11 July 1988; general effective date under Art 30: 1 January 1990 (irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/indo.pdf) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	No treaty in force
Employment short-stay	120 days Source US–Indonesia DTA Art 16(2)(a) — present less than 120 days in any consecutive 12-month period Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	—
Relief (double tax)	ordinary tax credit Source US–Indonesia DTA Art 23 — foreign tax credit method (cell us_id_ftc_relief_art23 already filed) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	domestic foreign tax credit only (Form 1116) — no in-force treaty Source IRS A–Z treaty list — US–Vietnam signed not in force; nguon/US_VN_DTA_STATUS.md Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Art 4	Cascade permanent home → centre of vital interests → habitual abode → citizenship Source US–Indonesia Convention Art 4(2) dual-residence tie-breaker cascade Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	Cascade yes Source No in-force US–Vietnam income tax treaty → no Art 4 dual-residence cascade between the two states Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
SSA / totalization	no Source SSA — U.S. International Social Security (Totalization) Agreements list does not include Indonesia Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	no Source SSA International Programs — Status of Totalization Agreements / POMS GN 01701.005 country table — Vietnam absent from agreements in force Checked Aug 2026 · Band med · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Treaty pensions	—	—
Foreign-income hinge	yes Source DJP Peraturan Direktur Jenderal Pajak Nomor PER-23/PJ/2025 — Penentuan Subjek Pajak Dalam Negeri dan Subjek Pajak Luar Negeri (full text on pajak.go.id, 9 Dec 2025) — stacked with UU PPh: an SPDN individual is taxed on income wherever earned; PER-23 decides who is SPDN Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	yes Source Luật 109/2025/QH15 Điều 2 khoản 1; NĐ 253/2026/NĐ-CP Điều 6 khoản 2 điểm a Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Home-side traps	yes Source nguon/US_SIDE_TRAPS.md — FBAR / Form 8938 / FEIE gates; PFIC & expatriation dollars not modelled Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	yes Source nguon/US_SIDE_TRAPS.md — FBAR / Form 8938 / FEIE gates; PFIC & expatriation dollars not modelled Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.

Indonesia

Through a US lens

StayVisa and residence EarnWork lawfully TaxWho may tax you there Pair overlayUS → IndonesiaTreaty and home-side traps Home × land deskRead this pair as a desk

Earn doors we publish

TeachingSchools and centres HospitalityHotels and F&B TechLocal hire paths DivingInstructor licences Own a businessEntity and work authority LegalPractice gates

Vietnam

Through a US lens

StayVisa and residence EarnWork lawfully TaxWho may tax you there Pair overlayUS → VietnamTreaty and home-side traps Home × land deskRead this pair as a desk

Depth: decide · path · 40 fields

Other pairs

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Indonesia vs Vietnam on a American passport

Verified 2026-08How facts workSourcesNationality is fixed. Cells are filed on each dest tax hub. Overlays are separate pair URLs.

Filed cells

Tax, stay and earn lenses from dest hubs — not invented fees. Purpose framing:

Work · remote · retire — which rows matter

Work — earn gate + tax days. Overlay for treaty short-stay.
Remote — stay instrument + foreign-income rule. Overlay for home traps.
Retire — stay instrument + pension articles on the overlay. Spend-down compare lives on ThonRetire.

Lens	Indonesia	Vietnam
Tax-residence day test	183 days Source DJP Peraturan Direktur Jenderal Pajak Nomor PER-23/PJ/2025 — Penentuan Subjek Pajak Dalam Negeri dan Subjek Pajak Luar Negeri (full text on pajak.go.id, 9 Dec 2025) — Pasal 3: SPDN includes individuals present in Indonesia more than 183 days in any 12-month period Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	183 days Source Luật Thuế TNCN 109/2025/QH15 Điều 2 khoản 2 điểm a; NĐ 253/2026/NĐ-CP Điều 4 khoản 1 Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Foreign / worldwide income	yes Source DJP Peraturan Direktur Jenderal Pajak Nomor PER-23/PJ/2025 — Penentuan Subjek Pajak Dalam Negeri dan Subjek Pajak Luar Negeri (full text on pajak.go.id, 9 Dec 2025) — stacked with UU PPh: an SPDN individual is taxed on income wherever earned; PER-23 decides who is SPDN Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	yes Source Luật 109/2025/QH15 Điều 2 khoản 1; NĐ 253/2026/NĐ-CP Điều 6 khoản 2 điểm a Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Top personal rate	35% Source UU 7/2021 (HPP) amending UU PPh Pasal 17 ayat (1) huruf a — progressive rates for domestic individual taxpayers; DJP / Kemenkeu republished Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	35% Source Luật 109/2025/QH15 Điều 9 — bậc 5 Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Long-stay instrument (filed)	5 years Source Kemlu/Imigrasi Golden Visa booklet — Second home E33 · 5 years Checked Aug 2026 · Band med · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	yes Source Product map — purpose → entry symbol → TRC (if eligible) → work permit/exemption as four separate decisions Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Local earn gate (filed)	yes Source PP 34/2021 on Utilization of Foreign Workers — employer must obtain RPTKA approval before employing a foreign national; processed via Kemnaker TKA Online Checked Aug 2026 · Band med · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	yes Source Bộ luật Lao động 45/2019/QH14 Điều 153 khoản 2 Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Treaty (US)	yes Source US–Indonesia Income Tax Convention signed Jakarta 11 July 1988; general effective date under Art 30: 1 January 1990 (irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/indo.pdf) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	No treaty in force
Employment short-stay	120 days Source US–Indonesia DTA Art 16(2)(a) — present less than 120 days in any consecutive 12-month period Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	—
Relief (double tax)	ordinary tax credit Source US–Indonesia DTA Art 23 — foreign tax credit method (cell us_id_ftc_relief_art23 already filed) Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	domestic foreign tax credit only (Form 1116) — no in-force treaty Source IRS A–Z treaty list — US–Vietnam signed not in force; nguon/US_VN_DTA_STATUS.md Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Art 4	Cascade permanent home → centre of vital interests → habitual abode → citizenship Source US–Indonesia Convention Art 4(2) dual-residence tie-breaker cascade Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	Cascade yes Source No in-force US–Vietnam income tax treaty → no Art 4 dual-residence cascade between the two states Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
SSA / totalization	no Source SSA — U.S. International Social Security (Totalization) Agreements list does not include Indonesia Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	no Source SSA International Programs — Status of Totalization Agreements / POMS GN 01701.005 country table — Vietnam absent from agreements in force Checked Aug 2026 · Band med · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Treaty pensions	—	—
Foreign-income hinge	yes Source DJP Peraturan Direktur Jenderal Pajak Nomor PER-23/PJ/2025 — Penentuan Subjek Pajak Dalam Negeri dan Subjek Pajak Luar Negeri (full text on pajak.go.id, 9 Dec 2025) — stacked with UU PPh: an SPDN individual is taxed on income wherever earned; PER-23 decides who is SPDN Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	yes Source Luật 109/2025/QH15 Điều 2 khoản 1; NĐ 253/2026/NĐ-CP Điều 6 khoản 2 điểm a Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Open primary URL Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.
Home-side traps	yes Source nguon/US_SIDE_TRAPS.md — FBAR / Form 8938 / FEIE gates; PFIC & expatriation dollars not modelled Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.	yes Source nguon/US_SIDE_TRAPS.md — FBAR / Form 8938 / FEIE gates; PFIC & expatriation dollars not modelled Checked Aug 2026 · Band low · Status fresh Method: figures past 2× SLA hide. See /method · /status · /changelog.